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 on: August 18, 2018, 02:44:09 PM 
Started by Daffodil - Last post by Daffodil
Does anyone know of any research that gives the characteristics of a hand rolled cigarette that has a cannabis content?  I am told it burns hotter, does it then prevent the cigarette from self extinguishing as we would expect with a traditional hand rolled cigarette.

Where as Kirks suggests a cigarette will not ignite Polyester fibrefill (bedding) would a hand rolled cigarette with cannabis do so?

Thanks in advance

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 on: August 17, 2018, 08:13:17 PM 
Started by The Colonel - Last post by Tom Sutton
IMO the solicitor who inserted the clause has no idea about the RR(FS)O, the flat is a domestic premises and exempt from the FSO(art2). The common areas are subject to the RR(FS)O and as there are no employers the owner/freeholder or the managing agent (person having control of the premises) is the RP. (art3) The RP is the person or persons responsible for implementing the order which includes conducting a FRA. (art5) How they distribute the cost is another matter and I believe this could be included in the tenants agreement most flat owners have to pay a service charge.

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 on: August 17, 2018, 03:02:21 PM 
Started by Messy - Last post by SeaBass
I?ve always organised a rendezvous point where the project managers who authorize the hot works, and/or the leading hand on the hot works team, go to, to  meet with the responding emergency services. 

If the hot works team is large enough, working in teams of two, they are required to sweep the area that they have been working in to conform that they are, or aren?t, the cause of the alarm, before also reporting to the RV, or radioing their findings into their leading hand/project manager before going to the assembly point or dispersing. 

It can take some time to get contractors to comply with the procedure, but most are pretty good and understand the implications of not complying. Which, by the way, included forfeiture of a percentage of their fee if they didn?t comply and/or where the cause of the alarm.

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 on: August 17, 2018, 12:47:12 PM 
Started by The Colonel - Last post by The Colonel
Came across something that I had not heard of the other day whilst undertaking a fire risk assessment on a 3 floor communal area to flats. Leaseholder whom I was assessing for to aid a sale informed me that the freeholder had appointed a managing agent to deal with the premises. When questioning the leaseholder as to why no action had been taken by the managing agent to complete the FRA, they informed the leaseholder that a clause is in the lease making the lease holders responsible for fire safety and not the freeholder or managing agent. Is this possible and more importantly legal, can the do it under the RRO.

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 on: August 16, 2018, 11:14:11 PM 
Started by Goodsparks - Last post by colin todd
What makes me smile is that, for most people,  including the Welsh Government, these here sprinkler fings wot is so frigging important don't need to work when there is a power failure, notwithstanding that, at that time, people may resort to candles and set their dwellings alight.  Apparently there is no need for a standby supply to the pump because (as I was told in a thundering email form someone supporting the view of the sprinkler industry) there wont be a fire during a power failure.  I am hoping that he can tell me the numbers of next week's lottery numbers, after which I will not need to earn a living dealing with madness, hysteria and lunatics.

 In the meantime, I think we should recommend taking out all emergency lighting in buildings and remove fire alarm system batteries and use them for computer games..... until of course there are multiple deaths in sprinklered residential premises during a power failure, at which point over-paid lawyers will put it to some innocent who believed the sprinkler geezers that, tell me Mr Con Sultant, you are trying to tell the Court that you arranged for the sprinkler installation that we all know is so vital to everyone's safety that even garden sheds need them, but it never occurred to you that they wouldnt work during a power failure?HuhHuh??

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 on: August 16, 2018, 07:19:18 AM 
Started by Goodsparks - Last post by Fishy
There's lots of local government organisations that have committed to install sprinklers... without necessarily knowing where the money was going to come from!  I'm waiting for the "...we want to do it, but the nasty Government won't give us the money..."!

There was talk (at one stage) of the NFPA 80a approach being used to mitigate against PE-cored ACM on HRRBs, but I'm not sure whether this ever translated into live projects (loads of issues - means of activation; frost protection; maintenance access etc, etc...).  The approach sometimes used with glass is to drench the risk face with water, so naturally the head(s) would need to be inside the flats.  A true open-head drencher would also need some means of activation (detection etc).

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 on: August 15, 2018, 12:27:21 PM 
Started by Goodsparks - Last post by Goodsparks
Thanks for the link Fishy, less thanks for the image of scantily-clad Colin doing his late night Rocky Horror Picture Show renditions...

The logic behind the barking mad idea, was that the supply of suitably tested FEDs seemed to dry up suddenly last week.
The nice people at the Mad Hatters, Clowns, Lunatics Guild were very insistent that the certification we'd seen should be studied very carefully (like when you hand over a scottish tenner in a london pub) as there was a strong likelihood that the certificate may have more fire resistance than the door itself.

If an organisation had ordered an initial batch of, say 3500 ish doors and committed to installing them over a couple of years and all of a sudden they couldn't, then alternatives probably needed to be considered. Given the same organisation (like lots of others) quickly committed to installing lots of sprinklers last year, there is a posibility that some of the sprinkler installations may progress prior to FEDs being installed (as bonkers as that is). From a very, very, very simplistic point of view, if a standard existed and we could squirt water on a crap FED from the common areas to make it last a bit longer (not dramatically changing system design), without the issues of leaseholder consultation, future use of size 11 locksmiths, professional door closer removers, security gates etc, then we might be able to make things a bit safer in the mid-long term before the new doors were sorted.

We have now found the supplier of doors and it looks as though we may even be able to install some this year, the madness has been abandoned.

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 on: August 14, 2018, 08:05:04 PM 
Started by JonAI - Last post by JonAI
... so the reason there aren?t any tested collars on plasterboard is because the British / European Standard does not include this scenario.

I managed to speak with Quellfire in the end who carried out some indicative testing a few years back and support the installation of their collars of timber / plasterboard ceilings as part of an engineering judgment.

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 on: August 14, 2018, 06:55:31 PM 
Started by Messy - Last post by Messy
Does anyone have any procedures for dealing with the control of abandoned hot works during an emergency evacuation?

In line with most responsible persons, we have a very strict hot work permit system which includes a one hour (sometimes two hour) Cool down period, where hot works are ceased but staff stay on site effectively fire watching.

Obviously we have procedures for accounting for staff and visitors. On two large city centre sites - staff just disappear into the local area as there is no space to assemble. This includes anyone engaged on hot works!

At all sites, the fire coordinators have checklists for evacuation sweeps, but do not get informed about any live hot works that have been abandoned. Similarly, we haven't got a process to inform the fire service of live hot works. Contractors will often just sit in their vans during evacuations, drink tea or sleep!

I will be addressing this in due course but wonder what others have in place to cover this risk?

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 on: August 14, 2018, 07:50:06 AM 
Started by JonAI - Last post by Fishy
I think Hilti might have a detail for these - www.hilti.co.uk.  If not, try Nullifire, Abesco, Sealmaster, Astroflame, and if all those fail, Envirograf.  You might also find standard details in the British Gypsum 'White Book' or the Knauf equivalent.

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