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 on: Today at 01:50:29 PM 
Started by alonso - Last post by alonso
hello all,
           we've been asked to quote for extra smokes in a staff room with minimal risk which includes a kitchen within the staff room area. The kitchen has some small cooking appliances along with a heat detector, extinguisher, blanket etc and a self closing fire door.
               The staff room has a couple of vending machines, a (disconnected and disused) clothes dryer and chairs/lockers so it seems to be low risk to me.
               I have found the risk assessment from 2012 (?!) and it states: 'the kitchen is an inner room to the staff room. There is a vision panel in the kitchen door but it does not allow vision into the main area of the staff room. It is recommended that automatic smoke detection is installed in the staff room'
               Does this sound reasonable? Surely by that rational you would also need vision panels everywhere else so you could see if there was a fire if you can't see the escape route is clear?
                 What worries me is he goes on to state in other parts of the r.a. that other 'inner rooms' do not need a.f.d. because 'the self closing door is kept open'. Quote: 'keeping the door open enhances the means of escape from *** as it will allow an early warning to any person in the *** of any fire threatening the escape route through the ******* ******
                This doesn't seem to make sense to me. He seems happy to have fire doors propped open so people can see a fire coming? Or have I missed something?

      thanks, all...

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 on: Today at 11:59:14 AM 
Started by Suttonfire - Last post by Suttonfire
My understanding, as per Lacors is that in a single family dwelling of up to 2 storeys there is no requirement to provide a protected escape route.

The current Building Regs indicates FD20 doors should be used for doors to a protected stairwell in a single dwelling, but does not appear to state a minimum storey height.

I have a client who believes that all doors to kitchens within private dwellings should be 30 minute fire doors. Have i missed some guidance which recommends this?

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 on: Today at 10:42:58 AM 
Started by Fire Monkey - Last post by Tom Sutton
Could it be a StoTherm Vario system which has been subjected to BS 8414 Part 2

Check out http://www.sto.co.uk/en/products/external-wall-insulation/external-wall-insulation.html

 4 
 on: August 21, 2017, 01:36:45 PM 
Started by Fire Monkey - Last post by Owain
BS EN 13163 Thermal insulation products for buildings ? Factory made products of expanded polystyrene (EPS)
BS EN 13499 Thermal insulation products for buildings. External insulation composite systems (ETICS) based on expanded polystyrene
BS 6203 Guide to fire characteristics and fire performance of expanded polystyrene materials (EPS and XPS) used in building applications

Whether what your building is fitting complies with any of the above is another matter.

http://www.eps.co.uk/pdfs/firesafe_buildings.pdf

eg
http://www.jablite.co.uk/application/jablite-external-wall-insulation/

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 on: August 21, 2017, 01:26:36 PM 
Started by lyledunn - Last post by nearlythere
No one injured in either case but you do have to be imaginative when dealing with social clubs!
Dont go drinking there Lyle then.

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 on: August 21, 2017, 11:32:42 AM 
Started by Fire Monkey - Last post by Fire Monkey
Hello,

I met a builder recently (who specialises in small, low rise, residential redevelopments). They said they had been fitting polystyrene to external wall and covering with this with a type if spray on material that acted like a render. Unfortunately I could not probe for information on how the materials were being applied or what their specifications were. Has any one come across such a thing?

FM

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 on: August 21, 2017, 11:20:02 AM 
Started by lyledunn - Last post by Fire Monkey
Is there a place of relative safety at the rear? Are there any windows or other openings along the passage way to the front?

Sounds like a fascinating place to conduct a FRA.

When it goes really wrong - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_firehttp://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire92/PDF/f92041.pdf


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 on: August 21, 2017, 07:46:55 AM 
Started by lyledunn - Last post by lyledunn
Yes an attack at the front of some kind. I am currently dealing with the aftermath of two situations in clubs. One where a disgruntled drunk when refused admission came back sometime later and lobbed a petrol bomb into the lobby. Another where a guy drove his car straight through the double exit doors at the side of a club because his bird was inside with another lad. No one injured in either case but you do have to be imaginative when dealing with social clubs!

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 on: August 20, 2017, 06:58:17 PM 
Started by lyledunn - Last post by Owain
Molotov cocktail lobbed in through the windows?

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 on: August 20, 2017, 09:45:51 AM 
Started by lyledunn - Last post by nearlythere
Where would the deliberate fire be set Lyle? Entrance foyer?

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